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1941 AE Schmidt Streamlined Speed King Value

1941 AE Schmidt Streamlined Speed King Value

I've got a 1941 AE Schmidt Streamlined Speed King, oversize 8' with ball return. It is in good shape for its age.

Any idea's on value? I'm not looking to sell or otherwise just trying to ascertain it's worth.

Here are some photos of the pool table:





1941 AE Schmidt Streamlined Speed King Value

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  1. user1537396724billiardsforum on 9/19/2018 4:24:48 PM

    Nice pool table. Few questions:

    1. Are the rail aprons real wood?
    2. Those screws which are visible from the outside - are they original, or were they put in at some point to repair the table?
    3. Can you show a clear photo of the A.E. Schmidt name plate?

    Also, I am curious as to how you came to know the exact year and model name of the pool table.

  2. user1537396724user1537396724 on 9/20/2018 7:03:47 AM

    The screws that are visible on the skirts are 100% original. The only Screws I'd question the originality of are the two that are holding the ball return drawer visible in the last pic.

    I determined the table model from A.E. Schmidt's historical database found here:

    Streamlined Speed King Pool Table



    Another Schmidt Company bargain in Carom Billiard, Pocket Billiard, or Snooker tables for those who may want a modernized low priced table. Except for the addition of the wide panels and pocket shields, the Streamlined Speed King is built exactly as is our plain Speed King. It is substantially constructed of ¾’ plywood and is veneered with American Walnut.

    Tables are furnished with three piece, one inch slate mounted on well braced, heavy frames; fast, accurate rubber cushions; pocket nets and leathers of the best quality; streamlined blind panels and chrome plated pocket shield. The streamline Speed King may be ordered in 4 x 8, 4 ½ x 9, or 5 x 10 sizes; four legs on the 4 x 8 and 4 ½ x 9 sizes – six legs on the larger, 5 x 10.

    Legs, sides and panels are constructed of 3/4’’ laminated plywood, faced with 1/8” Marlite, mahogany finish. Frame and braces are heavy fir lumber, securely laminated and bolted together. Black walnut rail tops, leather covered #6 pocket irons and sagless leather pocket nets.

    • Manufactured from 1937-1949
    • Available in Formica
    • Slate Bed: 1” 3 piece

    Source: aeschmidtbilliards.com/product/streamlined-speed-king

    From their description the rails are black walnut, skirts and legs are veneered. I'll know more when I get it broken down. The year I also determined off of Schmidt's "serial numbers". I can confirm when I get it broken down but laying on my back under the table, the numbers indicated it was built in '41.


  3. user1537396724billiardsforum on 9/25/2018 3:51:58 AM

    So I don't have any further info.

    You have done a really good job researching the pool table thus far.

    For pool table valuation, we typically monitor the market (eBay, craigslist, other pool table dealers) for recent comparable sales.

    I've not found any identical pool tables having sold recently, but a few similar. Yours is in much better shape than those were. Typical price was around $500 on the ones I saw.

    Best you can do now is create alerts for yourself on the various classified sites, and make notes as the sales occur.

    Please don't take the following as an insult. Just an honest account of my observations of the market over the past 5-10 years.

    One thing I find in almost all cases with antique pool tables from this era - they never sell for what the owners think they are worth. The used pool table market (especially for 1925s to 1980s pool tables) is very weak. The styles are outdated, and trapped somewhere between "timeless classic solid wood furniture-style pool tables" (e.g. 1920s and earlier) and the pool tables from the late 1980s onward that fit in more with modern decor. Your AE Schmidt pool table, while very nice, isn't particularly collectible nor is it a sought-after brand or model by folks who collect antique billiard items. Folks who are after a high-end antique pool table are typically looking at the 1900s-era Brunswick Balke Collender models or even the pre-1900 A.E. Schmidt tables.

    What I have seen over the past 5 years or so is folks giving away pool tables like yours (or selling for next to nothing) e.g. perhaps they inherited it after the death of a relative or parent, and don't really care for the game and don't want/don't have room for a pool table. They just want it gone. These "give-away" prices make it hard for folks with a nicer pool table like yours to get a proper sale price.

    If you want to get a good price for the table, the best way to do that is with time. If you aren't in a rush to sell it, and can afford to wait for the right buyer, then you'll do better.

    Either way, let us know how you get on.

  4. user1537396724user1537396724 on 9/25/2018 7:22:59 AM

    Thanks for your insight and perspective on the market. I know what you've said holds true as I came about the table in an estate sale in which the family just wanted it gone. As a result I picked it up for what I felt was below its market value.

    The good news is I'm not buying it for an investment or to flip it and have no interest in selling it. I bought it because I love the look of the table, it fits my taste, and I'm going to enjoy playing on it. Also it's a Schmidt which I've always wanted and its quality will serve me well for many years of play.

    The one thing about it that has me scratching my head at this point is the ball return system. I'm having trouble figuring out if it was original, if it was a custom option that Schmidt added, or if someone added it on at some point in its life. I can't find any detail on it. Once I break it down and move it, I plan on contacting Schmidt with all the info I can gather and see if they can give me any information.

    Thanks again for all your help thus far.

  5. user1537396724billiardsforum on 9/26/2018 4:13:22 AM

    Any time. Also, if you get any info from A.E. Schmidt Co., please do let us know.

  6. user1537396724user1537396724 on 10/29/2018 9:45:22 AM

    I thought I'd update this thread with what I found after breaking it down moving and reassembly.

    The serial numbers on the table were C4116. This indicates that it was the 216th table built in 1941. The table is almost all original. One of the rail skirts has a different serial number and one of the pocket shields is stamped out of what should have been the correct numerical sequence. I suspect the table was damaged at some point and these were original Schmidt repair parts, just stamped with the numbers when they were produced.

    The ball return system appears 100% original and components show their age. Some minor damage at the ball return tray is why the two screws visible above the tray are there. Not a correct or original style repair.

    One day I'd love to have a full restoration performed.

    The table plays great and the cushions are super fast, especially given their age. I had the table re-felted with Simonis 860 upon reassembly.

    Here are some pics:

    Waxing the joints, before felt.


    Cloth on. Almost done.


    I rehabbed the return tray. It still needs to be taken fully apart and repaired correctly, but that can wait for a restoration. At least the AstroTurf that it was line with is gone!


    Ready for play.


  7. user1537396724billiardsforum on 10/30/2018 2:06:13 AM

    Your pool table looks great, thanks for sharing the photos of the cloth installation.

    Looks like it's all ready for a lot of great games.

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1941 AE Schmidt Streamlined Speed King Value

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  • Published: 9/19/2018 3:38:44 PM
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