Joss Cue with Very Long Unknown Male Joint Pin

5/4/2020 7:22:06 PM

Joss Cue with Very Long Unknown Male Joint Pin

I am looking for information about this Joss cue with an abnormally long and unknown male joint pin.

I cannot find the model anywhere online nor can I find anything about the joint.

The cue came with initials C.G. engraved in a copper chalk holder.

So basically I want to know the model, what's the deal with the weird joint that surprisingly locks together perfectly so much that the shaft makes a popping sound when taken off,and value.

Redleg77

Joss Cue with Very Long Unknown Male Joint Pin

Replies & Comments

billiardsforum on 5/26/2020 3:58:05 AM
It looks like a Joss Sneaky Pete cue, but I've not been able to find the exact model in a Joss cue brochure or catalog.

I've never seen a joint pin that like before. I asked around about it, and the consensus is that someone was just experimenting with a different joint idea. I'll let you know if I hear anything else.

billiardsforum on 5/27/2020 3:00:28 PM
I've managed to track down the info on this crazy joint pin from some cue technicians who have seen them before.

The joint pin is certainly not original to that Joss cue. I'm 100% sure on that.

Apparently it is known as a "Wethered" cue joint (named after the cue maker who developed and pushed it).

Here's a paraphrase of what I learned about it:

Originally Posted by TWOFORPOOL:

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This joint was created by a cue maker in Vancouver, WA, named "Wethered". It was made around 20 years ago (late 1990s/early 2000s). I met him. The goal of his joint design was to make the cue quieter when playing. This joint did in fact make the cue play very quietly but you couldn't put it in a standard cue case.

Wethered made his own line of cues. Greg Sowder (of Sowder Custom Cues in Vancouver, WA) confirmed this (although he didn't see the picture).

Its a unique joint with an aluminum pin and a Teflon insert on the shaft.

Wethered actually changed out the pins on cues like the Joss cue you pictured because he convinced many players in the area it was a better joint.

Again it really made the joint solid and quiet.

Shortly after this, another guy confirmed this information and shared a few photos of another cue with a modified "Wethered" joint pin.

Originally posted by kgoods:

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I got one of these [Wethered cues] in for some repairs/tips a while back. Unfortunately I didn't get any after-pictures but I had to take a few right when I got it in as I'd never seen anything like it.

This one is a Dufferin conversion. What really surprised me was the screw-on aluminum ferrules onto a brass stud. It did hit surprisingly well considering the unconventional build.

Here's some pictures:

Joss Cue with Very Long Unknown Male Joint Pin

Title: Joss Cue with Very Long Unknown Male Joint Pin
Author: Redleg77 (Sgt Driggs)
Published: 5/4/2020 7:22:06 PM
Last Updated: 5/25/2020 5:18:50 PM
Last Updated By: billiardsforum (Billiards Forum)