ID an Older Meucci Originals

2/8/2011 8:16:05 AM

ID an Older Meucci Originals

I'm hoping that someone here can help me identify the model of Meucci cue that I own. I purchased it about 12 years ago as a "used Meucci" and never had any details from the cue shop where I purchased it.

Here's what I know:

It's prior to 1990 based on the older butt-cap logo style
I've contacted Meucci but they couldn't ID it from their records
The only other cue that matches its ringwork is the BH-5
I <3 this cue like no other I've played with - it's like buttah

I've searched through google images, looked through the Meucci archive pictures at budegtcues.com and meuccicues.com and have yet to find a picture of my cue.

Hopefully someone here can help me!

Click the thumbnail for a full size picture. I can also take additional photos if necessary.

Overview

Butt-cap 1

Butt-cap 2

Sleeve Work

Joint Collar Work

Any information you can provide would be amazingly helpful!

JimInMaine

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ID an Older Meucci Originals

Replies & Comments

richardsonknives on 2/11/2011 8:11:55 AM
I used to own one exactly like that. I don't know the model. If you would like to get rid of it contact me.

richardsonknives@yahoo.com

Squirrel on 5/22/2011 3:53:12 AM
I think that you and I have the same problem about trying to identify our Meucci pool cues. I have a Meucci pool cue that is almost identical to yours.

I have been told that it is a Meucci snooker cue, one of the first that Meucci ever made.

Mine also states that it is an "Original", and has no model numbers or identifying marks.

How do I find out the true value of this Meucci Original that I have had and used for over 35 years?

billiardsforum on 3/10/2016 2:47:49 PM
Hi Jim, I know it has been a while, but I am wondering if you ever got any confirmation on the make of this Meucci Originals cue?

I've read the details in both of the AZB posts, as I've been looking into the same Meucci Original for someone. I found a three recent references you may not have seen. Also one very old reference.

But first, just for the benefit other others viewing, it is definitely NOT a Meucci BH-5 or a Meucci 84-4, regardless the edition, etc. This has been hashed out already in a thread at AZB.

Sale in March 2015

First I found an auction from early 2015 for this same cue. The description noted that they spent hours trying to research it and came up with nothing.

this cue has to be from the late 70's due to its color. It sat in a closet for almost twenty years until we got it from its second owner. We have done hours of research and have never seen an Original that is an exact match to this one. It has the most intense yellowing of Meucci’s old finish we have ever seen. We have heard a lot of opinions from a lot of collectors, but nobody has ever produced a picture of an exact copy of this cue. A great cue for the unique Meucci collector.

Here are some of the photos of that Meucci Original from the auction:

Another ID request by someone on the Meucci Facebook page on September 24, 2015

These two were posted to the Meucci Facebook page asking for an identification. Got no responses.

Auction on December 23, 2015

Then, an eBay auction from 2015-12-23 (might be the exact same cue as posted on the Meucci FB page) where the seller had no idea. But at the end of the item description he mentioned that someone said it would be a 1980's Meucci Black Knight.

...Sorry need a little help with this one don't know the model. Your thoughts? Anyway the shaft has a slight roll in it and to me the ferrule has a slight gap between it and the shaft. Nothing wrong with the leather wrap, no flaws, and it's tight all the way around. No nicks or dents but it might have what I would call "a marr" in the butt end, being rubbed up against something but it will buff out with ease. Overall it is in excellent condition. When you have 60 Meucci's how many can you play at one time? e-mail or call, text questions 302-373-5353. A nice gentleman from Kentucky, let me know that the cue is called a Black Knight 1980 ish

This would be the second instance I have seen now where someone said it is a "white knight" or "black knight" cue (that old AZB thread from 2007 would be the other).

I've also seen reference to folks wanting this cue.

I'm looking for a specific model Meucci. It was on the cover of Cornhuskers Billiard supply magazine around 1988-1989.... I think the cue was called a "Black Knight". The white buttcap was kinda high (long), and reminded me of a race horse with its legs taped.

Now the really old reference:

Here is a picture from page 21 of "POOL & Billiard Magazine" - November 1987 issue. It show this exact cue with all of the parts disassembled, and then assembled. It was part of their "cue maker's special report" feature.

Again though, no mention of a model number or name of the cue though, but it does help to date it to the 1980's, which kind of corroborates the other mentions.

JimInMaine on 3/21/2016 9:23:36 PM

Hi Jim, I know it has been a while, but I am wondering if you ever got any confirmation on the make of this Meucci Originals cue?

No, I still haven't been able to find anything at all about this model.

But first, just for the benefit other others viewing, it is definitely NOT a Meucci BH-5 or a Meucci 84-4, regardless the edition, etc.

I agree with this. Though for a while I thought it was a 1st edition LH-2, turns out that it wasn't that either. I'm thinking that maybe these are some factory seconds or something like that. Just seems so weird that there's no official record or model number anywhere.

Another ID request by someone on the Meucci Facebook page on September 24, 2015. These two were posted to the Meucci Facebook page asking for an identification. Got no responses.

Yup, that's it. That's the cue.

Again though, no mention of a model number or name of the cue though, but it does help to date it to the 1980's, which kind of corroborates the other mentions.

Yeah - I think it's gotta be from the eighties and personally I think it's from the same time frame as the first edition Hubberts. You could take the collars from the LH-5, slap em on the LH-2 and you'd basically have it.

I really appreciate the effort and your response after so much time - thank you!

Hopefully one day this mystery is solved...

Mayo on 10/11/2017 11:31:33 PM
I feel like the cue above from the auction would have to be a Meucci "White Knight" pool cue, but I'm definitely not an expert. Here's mine if it helps.

Here's a closeup of the forearm. It's from Lomax's personal collection, so I'm sure of the model. I'm just not sure how I was lucky enough to get it.

As for the op's cue....The only difference between his and mine that I can see is in the forearm.

user1529484299 on 6/20/2018 4:45:00 AM
The cue is called a Black Knight. It was released in 1986 and was distributed exclusively in the Cornhusker Billiard Supply catalog (now Muellers).

Shortly after its release, the relationship between Cornhuskers and Meucci dissolved, making this a collectible item. They were available with a black with white speck wrap or a white with black wspeck wrap.

I know all of this for a fact since I still own mine from that day.

richardsonknives on 6/20/2018 3:11:20 PM
I had several of the same cue in the mid to late 70's Two of them had The Rifleman printed below the Meucci original logo. I know they were from that time or at least the ones I had were because I got them straight from Meucci while I was in the Air Force. I used to buy three or four at a time and get four or five shafts each. The shafts were 20.00 back then.

They were great cues. The Rifleman I got was from a player in Houston named Richard something in about 1980 and then the other was from Buddy in Shreveport in about 79

billiardsforum on 6/20/2018 5:49:31 PM
You are talking about these, which are of a similar design, but definitely distinct from the ones being asked about on this page (and from a different period in time as well), I believe.