While we're on the subject of tips, who uses what size mm and what are the advantages of said tips in regards to draw, english, throw etc cetra?
- dkrager on 7/28/2008 3:07:25 PM
Mine are 12.75 mm on my play sticks. I think the general rule of thumb on tip size is that the smaller you go the more spin you can produce closer to center ball and the more accurate you can be on long green shots due to the more pinpoint size. The down side is that the smaller tips will also amplify any inconsistencies in your stroke so it’s a trade off.
- quickshot on 7/28/2008 11:46:41 PM
Thanks for that little bit of info. I think I will bypass the 12.75 because I cannot afford any more inconsistencies in an already inconsistent stroke that I have been working on improving for some time now.
- Fenwick on 7/29/2008 12:36:14 AM
I see you already made up your mind but I'll post my feed back any way. You may change your mind?
I think most pool players go with a 12.5-13.5 mm shaft? Snooker players tend to use a 10 or 11 mm.
After reading the reply I used my 11.75 Z2 with a Everest tip today. My everyday shaft is 11.96 mm. with a Le Pro tip. That may not seem like much of a difference but with low deflection added it is a lot. Less English was more. If I added side spin by mistake it was indeed amplified. I also noticed I only needed 1/4 - 1/2 tip of English to get the same effect as the usual 3/4 - 1 full tip with a standard shaft. I think in time when more English is needed the smaller tipped Z2 will be the ticket. I made a few shots today I would have had trouble with or perhaps miscued on with the larger standard shaft. I would have had to add 1 1/2+ tips of English to get the same amount of spin. I ain't that good yet! I have shafts that range from 11.75, 11.96, 12.5, 13.0, 13.5, 16.5 and a whopping 18 mm shaft. It was custom made when I thought more was better and yes I can get English with the tree trunk? If you are thinking of pulling the trigger on that OB-1 low deflection shaft I think you will be pleased. I have read several good reviews on the OB-1. You will of course have to adapt your game yet again. Is smaller better, I don't honestly know! I can tell you a 13.5 mm. feels too big for my small hands and my game was better today.
- quickshot on 7/29/2008 9:35:28 AM
I have not really made up my mind, just thinking out loud. I wish there was a shaft rental business where one could rent different tips sizes just to try them out. It would take a lot of speculation out of the decision to buy a new shaft considering the price of shafts. The OB 1 is still in the planning. Where did you read the reviews? The plan is somewhere in between the SS and pension over flow. I think that I will get the 12.75 tip with it. It will not matter because the games learning curve never seems to get flatter.
- Fenwick on 7/29/2008 1:11:34 PM
I sent you some reviews, opinions. Good, bad and in between. I use a micrometer on all my shafts FYI. It's the only thing it's good for these days. Yes it would ideal if you could do a test ride with a OB 1 or some other low deflection shafts on your playing cue before you spend the $$. I went in somewhat blind but am now committed to sticking with the Z2 after spending the money. You have mail.
- dkrager on 8/5/2008 11:26:37 AM
I have been fence sitting for a while as to whether I wanted to try one of the 11.75mm euro taper shafts. The problem being that there was no way to try one out prior to purchase. Well I finally broke down and ordered an I-3 shaft, which arrived yesterday.
Haven’t used it much other than in practice but I fell in love with it immediately. It seems to transfer the feel of the hit much better than my I-2’s. (12.75mm) I was amazed at how much more spin I could get on the CB using a softer stroke which for me translates to more accurate shots and better position. The lower deflection was definitely noticeable on those long green shots.
From the limited amount I used it, I have to say that I do prefer the thinner shaft.
Thanks for pushing me off the fence.
- quickshot on 8/5/2008 3:18:16 PM
Which one did you get and how much was the damage? I'm still on the fence.
- Fenwick on 8/5/2008 11:37:29 PM
"Which one did you get and how much was the damage? I'm still on the fence.'
I'd like to know also. I know I'm happy as a clam with my Z2! I never tried a OB-1 though! I'm seeing progress with my stroke and grip and shooting with more confidence now but I haven't broken any high run records yet. It didn't hurt having a 4 hour lesson last week. Even my practice, playing partner has noticed the change. I almost felt guilty about the scores today.
At the risk of being redundant, is it the Indian or the Arrow? I think a little of both!
- quickshot on 8/6/2008 12:25:29 PM
Congratulations on your progress. Don't feel guilty about your scores, they are the end result of a lot of hard work and practice. As for the I and A theory, I agree with you on a certain level. It's 90% the Indian and 10% the arrow. As you well know, a mechanic can be the very best, but if he does not have the right tools to work with he is not very effective.
- dkrager on 8/6/2008 5:20:31 PM
The shaft I just got in is a Mcdermott I-3 shaft. It's roughly equivalent to the Z-2. The other shafts I have are the I-2, which is roughly equivelent to the 314, or the OB1. They run about $200.00 on eBay give or take depending on the joint style.
The only reason I went with the Mcdermott shafts is because I use Mcdermott cues and I like their warranty. Other than that I suspect most of these LD shafts will feel more or less similar one you break them down into their various classes and from there on it becomes a choice of Coke or Pepsi.
I had an opportunity to try out a friends OB1 the other day and it felt very similar to my I-2 shafts. Hard to say for certain though because he is one of those guys that removes the weight bolt from his cue and I really don’t like using it.
From what I can tell the choice comes more down to your playing style more than anything else.
The 12.75's seem to be good all around shafts with medium deflection. They are very comfortable to play with and most people like them. I loan mine out all the time and so far everyone has really liked the feel.
The 11.75's seem better matched to players that don't put a lot of power into their stroke. I would suspect that players with more of a power game would prefer the 12.75mm
Interestingly enough when I first tried the I-3 I loved it, but was playing on a 9' Brunswick GC with Simonis 860 cloth. Last night I tried it on an old bar box with worn out Jim Beam promotional cloth and it was absolutely horrible. Idunno perhaps it was an off night for me but I couldn’t hit a thing with it. I suspect the reason for this is that it might not be well suited to conditions where you have to really hammer the balls to get any cue ball action.
I think I’m going to sneak out after work and try it again on some bar tables that are in a little less of a broken down of a state before I pass judgment.
- Fenwick on 8/7/2008 12:16:57 PM
On topic the house pro played next to me last night while waiting for his student to show up. He has the best stroke and aim in the house hands down. He does not use a L.D.Shaft. His shafts appear old and well worn but well cared for. I would guess their size, (he has several just in case a tip comes off), are no larger then 12.5 mm. It's his master stroke that makes his game so strong. So much spin, so much draw and follow. I could not help observing his grip and stroke and the sound of the shots. CRACK, POP and the balls where flying into the holes.
- quickshot on 8/7/2008 3:57:43 PM
You'll be getting there pretty soon. But you are right, it is a thing of beauty to watch a pro doing his thing and not even giving it a second though. I'm still working in that direction, and I can't believe how easy it is to lose focus on the stroke. Can't walk and chew gum at the same time looks like.