Paper Stamps on Cue
8/31/2018 12:30:29 PM
Paper Stamps on Cue
I found a couple old pool cues today.
They look to be vintage maybe antique. Wooden screw joints. Possibly real Ivory inlays and ferrules etc.
I couldn't find a maker on either. But both had these paper stamps with ink handwriting on them near the upper joint. (They both have a butt joint as well)
Have you guys ever seen anything like this before?
Is this the person it was made for possibly?
I think one of the names is "Weinberg"
. I can't make it the others.
Nor do I know who made these cues.
One was warped. The other I got together and now it's stuck but good. It won't tighten it loosen.
(I knew I should've put be was on it first... Sigh)
Very nice stick though. I liked it. Good weight to it. Well balanced.
Anyway... My question is on the stamps.
Paper Stamps on Cue
Replies & Comments
- Chopdoc on 8/31/2018 4:01:59 PM
I would love to see full pictures.
The are most likely billiard cues, not pool cues, I would say 99% for sure.
The labels were most likely applied by the owner, not the cue maker, it was his name.
Show me details of the cues and there is a chance I can identify them.
To get the cue apart you take half, a fiend takes the other. 1, 2, 3, twist. BUT. Since the cue is old, there is a chance you could damage it.
I hope you can post complete and detailed pictures.
- chase on 8/31/2018 10:17:37 PM
Thanks for the reply. I'll try and get back over there tomorrow morning.
I didn't buy the cues since one was warped and since I couldn't get the other apart. Probably due to the humidity as it was a rainy day. I cracked on it pretty hard. I was afraid I was going to break it. I think I loosened the wood thread on the fore side a tad.
I'm pretty sure it has Ivory inlays. Very nice looking stick. Cross hatch grip with just a touch of floral above that. I'm not huge fan when they're done up too much.
The hand writing on the stamps is elegant, like old-time writing. Not like my chicken scratches. LOL.
Personally, I didn't know there was a difference between a standard pool cue and a snooker cue. The last cue I owned I was gifted beating a circuit player playing pool. It was owned by Willie Mosconi previously. One nicely balanced cue made for precision. These cues reminded me of that one. I really liked the taper and weight of them.
As stated, I'll try and get over there tomorrow and take some pics.
- Chopdoc on 9/1/2018 6:39:31 AM
You played pool and you didn't know there were different cues? Pool, billiards, and snooker all use different types of cues. I did play snooker in England with my pool cue though. In addition to those, there are sub-types of cues for different types of games.
I look forward to pictures.
Be careful with that stuck cue, you can tear the wood pin (screw) out.
- chase on 9/1/2018 6:58:52 AM
Yup, I had no idea. I mean, I knew there were different variations, weights, lengths, tips etc., but didn't know that one was meant for one game or another.
I was young and only cared about playing. I pretty much stuck to regulation 8-ball pool. 9-ball was too quick. I liked to shoot. Trick shots, and things like that. I was asked to go pro. That's how I got the Mosconi stick actually. It was an incentive I think. I bested some guy they called "Fish", 8 games in a row. He never got a shot. I guess he thought I was good enough, and gave me his stick. He said I should turn pro, blah, blah, blah. But I stuck to pool hall hustling. Owning a table all night. I ran a small circuit mainly in the South Eastern USA. Then I hit a slump where I just couldn't seem to break, and quit playing. I lost a lot of money during that short slump. Now I just play for fun once in a blue moon.
This stick just brought back some happy memories. The feel of it. I don't know. Or maybe you do. ;-)
On a side note, the joint screws are on the shafts (vs. the cues). Though the joint screws look identical, I tried interchanging the shafts. It wasn't happening. I'm wondering if they're possibly custom made?
- chase on 9/1/2018 8:56:24 AM
I went back, and the really nice cue with ebony/ivory inlays was sold (despite the fact I couldn't get it apart). The warped one was still there.
Here's the pics of it with case.
- Both had the same type stamp different names.
- Both had the exact same joint screws, just slightly different sizes.
- This has a rubber wrap on the handle, they won't let me remove it. Unless I buy it obviously.
In retrospect, and now looking at the pic of the screw joint on this cue below, the black ebony/Ivory one had a longer more tapered shaft. Also on this one below, the inlays look more like plastic.
- Chopdoc on 9/1/2018 9:12:18 PM
This one is a billiard cue, not a pool cue. Billiard cues commonly have a wood pin, and it is commonly in the shaft instead of the butt. The rubber grip is also a common billiard cue accessory.
It's a common cue of common design and construction, so not of particular value.
Would have been nice to see the other one.
If you want to learn more about billiard cues, go here:
- chase on 9/1/2018 11:35:53 PM
Thanks for the link. I had checked that site out when I first looked into buying them when I was trying to find out the cue maker. I'm thinking the latter one is possibly a French made cue. I say that just from looking over the various collections of European versus American cues he had on that site.
It seems the French liked to put that large medallion at the bottom. Maybe it is ivory not plastic. Without question it is a vintage cue, based on the stamp (or decal, or name tag, or whatever it is). The style of writing on it gives up that much. Maybe 50's you think?
Definitely the other one was my favorite of the two. It was very nicely carved and inlayed. It didn't have a high gloss sheen like you see in many cues.
They are probably old French Brunswick billiard cues but who knows for sure. I certainly don't.
Shame the set got broken up. If I was going to buy them, I was going to but both just to keep them together for to the stamp or whatever it is. It might lead back to the original owner.
Now watch, we'll come to find out that these are two cues long lost from some 1920's world champion or something along those lines brought over to the states during WWII and worth a pretty penny just because of who they belong to and made by old master cure makers by hand. LOL.
I just didn't want to spend the money on the warped one, then there was the other one getting stuck. I slowly had to walk away from the deal, though I really liked the black and Ivory one for sure.
Then again it would be interesting to see what's under that rubber grip. Maybe it's used to cover up the 24k inlay and protect it more than for use as a grip?
Ah well. It was a fun trip down memory lane for day or two.
Thanks for conversation.
Paper Stamps on Cue
- Title: Paper Stamps on Cue
- Author: chase
- Published: 8/31/2018 12:30:29 PM